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Dear fandom....

Dear wanking part of fandom,


I hear you've got issues with The Show?

Here, have some solutions:

- stop watching,
- sell your TV,
- stop posting on LJ,
- delete your LJ,
- go cry in the bathroom,
- better yet, go sulk in your basement,
- or the really best, let us enjoy our Show in peace, please FUCK OFF AND DIE.

So-not-lovingly yours,

Me

Date: 2008-10-17 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minniemax.livejournal.com
Ah, okay, somehow I didn't know you're studying media LOL - what a great friend I make.

I get your point - I had a similar reaction on Buffy, it still pisses me off today when I think about the double moral of the show and how everyone was gushing about it LOL. Well, I fucked off and died in that fandom, simply as that.

I think that sometimes we get so involved, we forget it's fiction, you know?
I was always the one in the school who said "how on earth want you to know what the artist wanted to say with his work?"

I think we can be fairly sure Kripke doesn't want to say all the things that are interpreted in his work, especially the bad ones. Well, it's aired, isn't it? So what can he do about it? Even more important, why should he? He follows his ideas and tells the story how he wants, we just forget that the show isn't judging or justifying any- and everything. We want it to do it, though - we want someone to tell us what is right and what not and if possible, it should match our opinions, too, because we feel all justified then. I don't even think most people are aware of it, but it is what I believe.

And it'd be alright, even, if not for the fact, that those issues are picked out and not all are being addressed. And no matter how many metas we want to write, we are still just people watching a show, nothing more, nothing less.

What really matters though is, what do we do when we switch the TV off? What do we do in our RL? Do we help? Are we making a difference? Because talking is still a coward's way (as in, "it's not right that our neighbour is beating his wife, but it's not my problem").

Gosh, I should really stop writing sentences that start with "And..."
Well, anyway, that's what I wanted to say. *g*


Date: 2008-10-17 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fools-game.livejournal.com
I tend to talk more about the creative writing part - our uni system is set up deifferently, so I have majors in lit studies, writing, and media studies. One of the big things you pick up in those course is that what the author intended isn't always what comes through. I'm sure Kripke & co didn't intend for there to be huge misogynistic overtones to season 3, but there were. Maybe they didn't intend for the whole "Sam-as-a-rapist" to ever be an issue, but they've set up a situation in the narrative, intentionally or no, where it is a possibility. And that makes people uncomfortable. (rape is one of those things where everyone has something to say :D) And some people just want to enjoy the show and not think about it, but for other, thinking about these things is a huge part of how they enjoy the show.

And the thing is, maybe talking about it won't do a damn bit of good. (I have to say it's done wonders for my grades) But I'm of the opinion that shutting up and taking it is the worst thing you could do, whether you're talking about a TV show that objectifies and demonises women, or domestic violence, or rape, or racism. Maybe talking is the coward's way, but it's better than just pretending nothing's wrong, surely?

(Sorry! I don't mean to come in here and lecture at you. I feel very rude.)

Date: 2008-10-17 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minniemax.livejournal.com
Heh, no problem.

Pretending is never good, but there should be a balance between the things - somehow are mostly the bad (far less) undertones exposed. There's nothing wrong with portraying something - no one would have such issues with a reportage, right? If Kripke created ideal people, now that would be pretending. Besides, the discussions are *so* one-sided... If Dean treats women like skanks and gets laid a lot, what is it to say about those women? I didn't see any wank about the psychic girl who got her eyes burned out and she was dressed like a skank (in my book) and came on to the boys in a really vulgar way...

Well, I think I'll watch the episode tonight and refrain from reading any reactions LOL (even if it *is* annoying to filter my own flist).

Date: 2008-10-17 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fools-game.livejournal.com
what is it to say about those women
But those women are characters on a show written mostly by men. And that show has a disturbing tendency for women to be evil, promiscuous, or brutally murdered. Sometimes all three.

Anyway. Enjoy the episode tonight!

Date: 2008-10-17 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minniemax.livejournal.com
hmm, I think it's very subjective POV, but - as you said - I'm now settling down to watch. :-)

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